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thursday. if the senate is up against the wall we know one senator who won't stop talking can gum up the whole works and shut down the government so tick tock, it's racquetball o'clock. and the republicans have to figure out how to shut up their own conservative base again. good evening, lawrence. >> rachel, i think that was your bluest material yet, as the old catskills comedians used to call it, working blue with rachel maddow. >> i don't make this stuff up. i have to go apologize to my mom now. well, u.s. marines have been put on alert in anticipation of the release tomorrow morning of a senate report on the cia's use of torture. >> the imminent release of the so-called senate torture report. >> it may incite violence abroad.
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>> embassies are on alert. >> i will tomorrow. >> they are expecting to accuse the cia of lying to congress. >> this is not going to come as a surprise to anybody in that part of the world. >> we did some things that were wrong. we tortured some folks. >> the country was in no way ready to come to grips with the torture that took place. >> i think this is a terrible idea. >> if it diminishes their contributions to our country, it is way off base. >> that begs the imagination. >> i made comments on the floor tomorrow. >> former vice president dick cheney told the times any idea that the cia misled the white house is a crock. >> this report so about making sure that people understand what happened so it doesn't happen again. tonight, u.s. embassies worldwide are on alert. and 2,000 marines have been placed on alert in and around the persian gulf and the
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mediterranean to respond to any threat against americans after the release of a senate intelligence committee report tomorrow morning that will detail the interrogation methods used by the cia on prisoners after 9/11. secretary of state john kerry spoke with dianne feinstein to discuss the timing of the release and whether it could incite retaliation against americans. a leaked version of the report's conclusion says the cia systematically misled or lied to the white house and congress about its techniques and oversold the techniques' efficacy in getting useful intelligence. the full report is actually 6,000 pages. tomorrow only the 600-page executive summary will be released, eight months after the committee voted to declassify it.
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former vice president dick cheney didn't need to read a single line of that report to determine that the report is, quote, a bunch of hooey. cheney told the "new york times" when we had that program in place we kept the country safe from any more mass casualty attacks. if i had to do it all over again, i would do it. former president george w. bush spoke in defense of the cia over the weekend. >> we're fortunate to have men and women who work hard at the cia, serving on our behalf. these are patriots and whatever the report says, if it diminishes their contributions to our country, it is way off base. i knew the directors. i knew the deputy directors, you know, i knew a lot of the operators. these are good people, really good people. and we're lucky as a nation to have them. >> tonight, republican members of the senate intelligence
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committee, marco rubio and jim risch questioned the wisdom of releasing the report, something they did not vote for. quote, it is unconscionable that the committee and the white house would support releasing this report despite warnings from our allies, the u.s. state department and a new document assessing the increased risk to the united states this report poses. but dan widen also told nbc's andrea mitchell that the risks are not new. >> there are some around the world who are already angry at the united states because torture was used in the past. this report doesn't change that. i think when the american people hear about topics like this, they want the facts. >> joining me now is a former ambassador. joe wilson, the, we have seen, in the past, outrage on different sides of the aisle
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over different potential exposures of the cia, including in your case when your wife was revealed by the republican white house, george w. bush's administration to be working in the cia, there was an awful lot of outrage about how that could be released at all. what are the general principles for what the cia should be able to cope secret, must keep secret and what should not be secret? >> well, certainly the case of sources and methods and personalities, the covert operators should be kept secret and out of the public eye. but in this case, one of the enduring features of american democracy and one of the things that really appeals to people who live in dictatorships is the fact that we're willing to confront our foibles when we
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commit errors as we obviously did against international law and our own domestic law in conducting this torture program. >> mika, what's your reaction to the decision to release it? >> i think this decision has been a long time coming. they've been working for eight months to redact sensitive information and this was an extensive investigation, five years, 6,000 pages, career investigators. they put a lot of time and effort into this, and dianne feinstein is the one to most likely give them a fair shake at this. >> let's listen to what they said about this. >> i think this is a terrible idea. our foreign partners are telling us this will cause violence and deaths. our foreign leaders approach the government and said if you do this, this will cause violence and deaths. our own intelligence community has assessed that this will
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cause violence and deaths. think of the cartoons in denmark and how many people died as a result. think of the burning of the korans and how many people died as a result. they will use this to incite violence. >> joe wilson, what's your reaction to that? >> they should have thought of that before they issued the documents authorizing this. and it's not just the cia. i read jose rodriguez' piece in the "washington post", but he does make a good point that his political masters, the extent to which they are not included in this cia report is probably inadequate, and i would begin with dick cheney and george bush himself and go right down the line, scooter libby, david addington, his lawyer, alberto gonzalez and everybody who signed off on these authorizations for something that is against every international treaty obligation that we have made on the particular subject. the u.n. convention on human rights, the u.n. convention on
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torture, the geneva convention, all of which has standing as u.s. law in addition to the international treaty commitments. >> mieke, there are a number of reasons for keeping information classified and plenty of information around this subject that will remain classified as a result of this report. where would you draw the line in a situation like this about what should be classified, what shouldn't, and how would you weigh what congressman rogers is saying about the potential risk to americans of releasing the information. >> so one of the things that you want to keep classified are the identities of covert agents. you do that for their protection and the protection of the people who work with them. and the administration has been working closely with the committee to make sure that those identities are kept secret. the other thing, though, when you look at what should be released, this is a review of the techniques that were used. it's fundamentally different than the circumstances that
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chairman rogers is talking about. the burning of the koran, the danish cartoons. those were slights to islam itself. what we're talking about are slights to our own values as americans where we fell below a standard that we have set in international treaties and that the president and lindsey graham and john mccain have all agreed is wrong. it's difficult to see isis grabbing the moral high ground on this and complaining about water boarding and sleep deprivation when they've been beheading people. >> so are you saying that you don't expect any, that there actually isn't a risk to american life that should be considered in this release? >> it's certainly a very volatile region and i would certainly say there's no risk whatsoever. it's always good to be cautious and put people on alert. but what i think what we're talking about here is the reaction that occurs is because of slights and insults to the religion, not to the same reactions we had to abu ghraib or haditha or what i would expect with this report.
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>> so if one of the principles is protection of life of cia agents, cia assets so we don't ever name the agents in order to protect their lives, what congressman rogers is saying, there are other lives at stake in this information and do we have an obligation to protect those lives in the same way we have the obligation to protect covert agents' lives? >> i think as was said earlier, the fact that we're putting people on alert is a good cautionary note. not to be out and about perhaps tomorrow. but i agree the fact that we're releasing a report that faults our own techniques is going to cause any violence against americans is the techniques themselves used on people that have pissed off the entire region against us. >> let's listen to what the president said about why this
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should be released. >> even before i came into office, i was very clear that in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, we did some things that were wrong. we did a whole lot of things that were right. but we tortured some folks. we did some things that were contrary to our values. >> mieke, do we have any precedent in our history for this kind of release of looking at things we've done in war or other situations and decided we shouldn't just stop it, we shouldn't just stop doing it, we should also release all the information we have about how we did it? >> absolutely. in fact, the military has a very strong history of after-action reviews in all kinds of circumstances. you saw that in the church commissions about the intelligence community. we have seen over and over again the history of america learning from its mistakes, deciding what it will and will not do going
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forward and being an example to the rest of the world about its willingness to admit when it's done things contrary to our values. it's part of who we are as americans. >> thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >> thanks very much, lawrence. coming up, more protests, of course, tonight, against excessive use of force by police. and this evening, president obama added some more comments about the grand juries' decision in new york and in the eric garner case. and we have reports tonight that members of governor chris christie's administration could soon be indicted as a result of a federal investigation of the lane closures at the george washington bridge. and vladimir putin's hard line against gays at the olympics in russia may have backfired. stuart milk will join me to explain a big win for the lgbt rights.
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you know, the verdict was hard to understand. you know, i hadn't seen all the details. but it's sad that race continues to play such a, you know, kind of an emotional part of life. it calls into question what needs to be done to heal, to get the country united again. but no question, and as it's been mentioned and i agree, there's been tremendous progress based on race, but i think these incidents show there needs to be more. a couple of royals went to a nba game tonight in brooklyn, but their presence was overshadowed by nba players' protests over the nypd killing of eric garner, next you're looking at images of protests in new york city tonight, earlier tonight. here we go, here we go, here we go.
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you're looking at images of protests in new york city tonight, earlier tonight. protesting the grand jury decision not to indict a new york city police officer in the death of eric garner. also tonight, more than 100 protesters gathered outside the barclay's center where the brooklyn nets are playing the cleveland cavaliers, protesting inside before the game were nba stars like lebron james who wore "i can't breathe" tee shirts. mother's what president obama said tonight about the protests. >> i think there are a lot of good, well-meaning people, a lot of police officers who might have looked at that and said
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that is a tragedy what happened, and we've got to figure out what happened, how to bring an end to these kinds of tragedies. but then attention spans move on, right? there's next thing. there's some international crisis. something that happens here and change doesn't really occur. and the value of peaceful protests, activism, organizing, is, it reminds the society, this is not yet done. >> today new york attorney general eric schneiderman formally requested the issuance of an executive order to investigate and if necessary prosecute cases involving unarmed civilians killed by police officers. he said this to chris hayes this evening. >> it is very dangerous to have the people of a city or a state feel that they can't trust the police.
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they have to come forward as witnesses. they have to trust their police officers, the nypd is a great department. but all across america people are asking the question, how do we ensure that there's an independent arbiter when there are accusations as serious as death caused by a police officer acting in the line of duty. i think this is a step towards restoring confidence. joining me now is harvard law professor ogletree and president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives. professor ogletree, does the attorney general of the state of new york actually need an order from the governor to do this? couldn't he actually look, examine these cases through his own civil rights division? >> he could do it, but i think he's trying to make sure he's going through the right process. and i have to say that what he's doing makes a lot of sense to
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talk to the black officers in particular, to talk about what they've been going through, what they've been experiencing. you know, i have been a big fan of noble ever since it was created, and i think it's important to have an organization of black police officers, but i think a lot of people are feeling conflicted. on the one hand they want to enforce the law, protect the people, but they're seeing over and over again, people choked like eric garner and people shot like michael brown. and they're saying we need to do something with this group. i love to have this discussion with black police officers to talk about -- they have to be police officers, but what we have to do to make the kids think about law enforcement as a career they want to pursue. >> what is the black police officers' role in both policy-making here going forward and this discussion? >> well, let me tell you what noble's role is, ever since 1976 when noble stood up as an organization.
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and it stood up just for issues that we're still confronted with today. noble has played a very clear and important role in terms of helping move human rights and justice for all people. in terms of dr. ogletree, i certainly do welcome a conversation with you around this subject matter, because for many police officers of color, particularly african-american, it certainly can be a challenge in terms of what we're seeing. but the reality of it is, it's a very difficult convoluted situation we're dealing with here today. officers across this country, both black and white, there are many, the greatest majority of them doing a tremendous job out here protecting and serving every day, but we have an outcry from a much larger community that is saying to all of us, this is not just about police,
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this is about, really, a criminal justice system itself, in a broad sense that's at question here, lawrence. >> now i think we can agree, no president has ever had more to say about these issues than president obama has. there have been very controversial killings by police during every presidency. most of them ignored by the white house. there was something the president said tonight on b.e.t. about how he understands it can be frustrating to people that he isn't more forceful about this. >> part of what i think is so heartbreaking and frustrating for a lot of folks when they watch this is the recognition that simply by virtue of color you've got less margin for error. that's true, particularly true for black boys. i want my grandsons to be treated like anybody else's grandsons.
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if they're messing up, i think they should be corrected. don't, first be corrected by me. or their mother or their father. but i don't want them to be, to be subjected to the kind of constant bias that makes them feel as if this is not their home. >> that was actually a different part of the interview, but i'm glad we heard it. you've known president obama sense he was one of your law students. you know the man. you now the father. and he's now thinking about what life might be like for him as a grandfather and the possibility of having grandsons, and what this means to them. >> i think that's very important. i think that this president has done a great job of trying to make people understand that he's the president of all america. he happens to be black. he's a president not of black
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america but all of america. having said that, he has been watching what i've been watching, death after death after death by young african-american boys dying at the hands of white police officers, and that has to stop. and he has, he has children. i have children and grand children, and i talk to them the say way, that they have to be careful. they have to do things that i had to do, learn from my grandfather and father, to be careful to not intimidate police officers or make them think because you're black you can't go into a department store, you can't go behind a car. you can't go into certain places. that has to change. we're in the year 2014. we have to change our views about race and about police. we need more police officers, and i am absolutely in support of that, but we also need them to be trained in a way that their first duty as the former police chief brown said is to be involved in community policing and not be involved in shooting, killing and arresting black men as their first prerogative.
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>> community policing was announced in the 1950s when they first allowed irish police officers. the big criminal element in the city at that time was the eye -- irish. and without the irish police officers, it's not clear how that problem would have been contained. i have reminded audiences over the years and i've spoken to them about this issue and the history of community policing. it's not a new idea. >> no, it's not a new idea. in fact, it has been around for a very long time. but of course it's a loss. a lot of what it has meant over the years. and i think the other problem that existed, too, very early on is that police officers would hear the term community-oriented policing and not know what it means. let me say this. over the last 30 or 40 year, we
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truly have seen differences between police and community relations. good in many ways, but yet, still, many parts of this country still very much challenged. so i hear everyone talk about the problem. but the real issue here, lawrence is this, is that we're going to have to come up with strategies or we're just going to continue to have this conversation. and i think one of the first things we have to do in terms of strategies, what i want to focus on, because we all know what the problem is. we got to start making sure that our elected officials, our appointed officials, our community leaders, particularly right now in this point in time in american history, start talking to each other about what the challenges are. we're not going to be able to talk this away. we're going to have to strategize it away, and it's going to take a while for that to happen. but here, again, we must look at the entire criminal justice system as it relates to the issues that we're seeing that's involving white officers and young black kids and the history, the history of all this.
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>> thank you very much for sharing your wisdom and experience with these issues. thank you. >> thank you. >> our pleasure. coming up, the first woman in congress is the only person who voted against two consecutive declarations of war. that's in the re-write. i'm angela,
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as i've said many times, when i was u.s. attorney i've hated when people step behind the podium and say this is what they should or shouldn't do, and i'm not going to engage in that. >> paul fishman is expected to file multiple charges in the federal investigation into the george washington bridge lane closures. also according to wnbc one is telling friends of an expected indictment. today, a committee released its interim report on the lane closures to the public. >> laws were potentially broken. bridget kelly's instruction to christina renna to delete an e-mail may have violated the witness tampering statutes in new jersey.
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similarly, 12 text messages exchanged between the governor and a top administration official during the testimony of port authority officials before an assembly committee were apparently deleted by both parties. >> the 136-page report finds that david wildstein implemented the lane closures giving time for traffic problems. the report also finds, quote, at present, there is no conclusive evidence as to whether governor chris christie was or was not aware of the lane closures, either in advance of their implementation or contemporaneously after they were occurring, nor is there conclusive evidence as to whether governor christi did or did not have involvement in implementing the lane closures.
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nevertheless, according to michael drewniak's testimony, he claimed he announced the lane closures at a memorial ceremony they attended. it leaves open the question of when the governor first learned of the closures and what he was told. joining me now is new jersey official. it leaves open the question of when the governor first learned of the closures and what he was told. joining me now is new jersey official. so what did the governor know and when did he know it is not conclusively determined by your interim report? >> not yet. there are a lot of unanswered question. and i think what this report best shows is that despite a lot of work by this committee, there are witnesses that have not been available to us.
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and therefore, there are unanswered questions. it is too early to say conclusively that the governor had no involvement or that he had involvement. >> so the federal investigation actually has kind of kept some of these witness away because of legal jeopardy and so forth. i want to get to the point that senator weinberg was mentioning about the deleted, 12 texts that the governor deleted. tell us about that. >> during the testimony, almost a year ago that the executive director of the port authority provided to the transportation committee, the governor's now chief of staff listened to the testimony, and she said that she only had one text communication with the governor. turns out there were 12, started with the governor texting her. she responded. it was a running dialog, it appears, during that day of testimony. coincidentally, now that the committee is asking for these records of text messages, both the governor and the governor's chief of staff have simultaneously deleted these
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messages. >> do you know when they were deleted? >> we don't know when they were deleted, and they can't tell us when they were deleted, and that's all the more troubling. >> when you say they can't tell us. you've asked the governor, when did you delete these messages? >> we asked through his counsel and they said they were deleted in the ordinary course of business, whatever that means. what's troubling is people have said bridget kelly may have violated the law because she tried to delete an e-mail we have been interested in. similarly, we would have been interested in seeing these text messages, if for no other reason than to corroborate the story we've been given that there was nothing there. but interestingly enough, before we get a chance to look at it they delete it. that raises some very suspicious circumstances here about why would they both delete it. i can see if one person deletes and the other one doesn't, but they both deleted them. that's troubling. >> this report today is an interim report. will you wait for the federal investigation to be over to try to resume to get what would then
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be the full report? >> well, i think you addressed it very adequately, that we did not want to interfere with the u.s. attorney's investigation, so we couldn't call people. when that investigation is concluded, there will be people potentially that have no involvement going forward, our committee can then pick up its work and not worry about jeopardizing their work. but there's lots of people, probably upwards of eight or ten individuals that we would like to hear from that we've refrained from calling those people, some of them are right at the center of the controversy, bridget kelly, david wildstein, others less sew, but they may have information we need to get to. >> now in the possibility of indictments, and we don't have anything near definitive on the possibility of indictments. there's jest one report from wnbc. but in the event of indictments that could then delay your investigation for a very significant period of time, because those witnesses will be off in to the judicial process for what could be years.
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>> for those witnesses, our potential witnesses that may be the subject of an indictment or other process, it's very likely that we won't be able to really pursue them for some time. but, again, there may be others who are not on the receiving end of that kind of process who may be freed up. it really is a situational thing that we'll have to take day by day and see what unfolds. it's too early to predict what may happen. >> chris christie's going to say here's report, they didn't find nothing there. >> we didn't find nothing. we found a lot. we found there was an effort to close these lane, a cover up and an effort to cover up the cover up. clearly what we don't know is who gave bridget kelly the belief that she should close these lanes. who gave david wildstein the authority to act in the fashion he did. why were these messages deleted, why did kelly try to delete an e-mail. and without having the opportunity to talk to some of the people at the heart of it we won't get the answers right away. >> thank you for joining us, we appreciate it.
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on this day in history this very day, the united states congress voted to enter world war ii, declaring war on japan the day after japanese military attack on the u.s. fleet in pearl harbor. the vote came after an emergency address to a joint session of congress by president franklin delano roosevelt. >> yesterday, december 7, 1941, a date which will live in infamy, the united states of america was suddenly and deliberately attacked by a naval and air forces of the empire of japan. with confidence in our armed forces, with the determination of our people, we will gain the inevitable triumph, so help us
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god! [ applause ] i ask that the congress declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by japan on sunday, december 7, 1941, a state of war has existed between the united states and the japanese empire. [ applause ]
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>> the vote on the declaration of war in the senate was unanimous and in the house of representatives it was 388 in favor, one opposed. the one vote against war was cast by jeannette rankin of montana. when she tried to gain recognition to speak on the house floor, speaker rayburn refused and declared her out of order. the associated press said that her vote against the war was met with a chorus of, quote, hiss and boos. when she left the chamber, the scene was chaotic. she had to hide in a phone booth to avoid spectators who condemned her vote and was finally escorted to her office bit capitol police. she publicly explained her vote by saying, as a woman i can't go to war, and i refuse to send anybody else. privately, she told friends, i have nothing left but my integrity. her brother sent her a telegram saying montana is 100% against you.
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jeannette rankin chose not to run again. she served only two terms, and they were not consecutive. she was just elected in time to vote on the declaration for war for world war i and was sworn in with the new congress on april 2, 1917, whereupon jeannette rankin became the first, the very first and only woman member of the united states house of representatives. montana was one of the few states that allowed women to vote before the constitutional amendment. having run as a pacifist it wasn't surprising when she ran against the declaration of war for world war one. and she wasn't alone. 50 members of the house voted against it. she said then, if they're going to have war they ought to take the old men and leave the young to propagate the race.
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when president woodrow wilson asked congress for that declaration of war on germany, he said it was, quote, to make the world safe for democracy. congressman rankin used those words when urging the house of representatives to vote for a constitutional amendment, granting every woman in every state the right to vote. she said on the house floor, how shall we explain to them the j$ñ meaning of democracy if the same congress that voted to make the world safe for democracy refuses to give this small measure of democracy to the women of our country? nearly three years later in 1920, the 19th constitutional amendment was ratified and finally women in every state had the right to vote. in the last months of her life, in 1973, jeannette rankin was considering another run for a house seat to protest the vietnam war.
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there is a jeannette rankin statue in the house of representatives, not because she is the only member of congress to vote against declarations of war for both world wars, but because show was the first woman member of congress. when she won that first congressional election, 98 years ago, jeannette rankin said, quote, i may be the first woman member of congress, but i won't be the last.
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last monday night i reintroduced you to the kind fund, kids in need of desks, the partnership i created with unicef to provide desks for african schools, desks created in malawi and delivered to schools in africa where they've never had desks. it's something i talk about every year at this time. it is the permanent cause of this show.
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we then spent the rest of the week in breaking news situations and were not able to get back to update you on the progress of the kind fund. in the course of that week, without me saying another word about it, you have contributed another $250,892 for the kind fund. that's for kids, for desks in kids' schools and for the other part of the program that we have, which is providing tuitions, high school tuitions for girls, girls education being a particular challenge. the total that you have contributed so far since we started this program is $7,867,657. thank you very much for that. if you'd like to learn more about that you can always go to last word's website.
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a year ago on this program, stuart milk first called on the international olympic committee to call for change on the lgbt community.
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today the committee unanimously approved changes can including the antidiscrimination clause. joining me is stuart milk. i saw your tweet announcing it and making reference to having q talked about it a year ago on this program, and i said to the staff, let's get stuart on. this took a year, but it seems like there's definitely, this is one of the benefits that came out of what the world watched vladimir putin doing during the >> absolutely. and first of all, i'm glad that someone reads my tweets, and secondly, you know, i really
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think that it was here, on this show, when our friend anita de france was challenged by lawrence o'donnell when she says she has no choice but to believe russia when they said they would not discriminate, unfortunately, they were proven wrong. you challenged them. and today they came full circle in terms of putting that into not only the charter but into host city contracts, that there can be no discrimination in those cities on the basis of sexual orientation. and it's really a historic day and amazing that it's come in just a year, although we still have work to do, because we don't know for sure where our transgender brothers and sisters fit into that. they have said that it's included in the "other" phrase of the non-discrimination policy. but this sends a huge message to countries that discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, that they are not going to be able to bid to be host cities. they're going to be excluded
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from that process if they have those laws on the books. >> it has implications for countries who can never hope to host because they don't have the infrastructure or the ability to handle something like that, because of the compliance with the olympic charter, and what the olympic charter says is that belonging, quote, belonging to the olympic movement requires compliance with the olympic charter and recognition by the ioc. and so this has implications for countries with some draconian laws that need to be, that need to come into conformity with the olympic ruling on this. >> absolutely. this is a very significant addition to the charter. it sends a very clear message, and it sends a message to all of those nations that still codify discrimination into their laws. >> i mean, there is, not to make
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too much about that olympic charter issue, because as i understand it, what it means is a country that is banned, whose organization, olympic organization has banned because of their failure to comply, if you're from that country, you could still compete independently at the olympics, so there's a way through that. there's still a hole there. that's something they could tighten up. >> that's definitely they can tighten up, the gender, the gender identity piece is something they can tighten up. but make no mistake about it. i want to go back to, you know, lawrence, your challenge to ioc executive committee member anita de france. and this sends a message saying there's no blind faith anymore. you cannot discriminate and be part of the host country or host city. >> stuart, it definitely seems they were listening. >> thank you. >> thank you very much for
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joining us tonight. really appreciate it. and thank you for bringing it to my attention today with that tweet. >> my pleasure. >> chris hayes is up next. tonight on all in.?hww "hardball" starts right now. all the governor's men. let's play "hardball." ♪ ♪ good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. but the scene of action is about to be new jersey. it concerns the office of new jersey governor chris christie. his political team. late friday nbc new york's brian thompson reported that six, possibly eight of governor christie's staffers are expected to be charged by the u.s. attorney in connection with last year's shutdown of the george washington bridge. and that the charges could come next month, in january.

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